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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 02:24:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert King
To: undertow@serv1.law.emory.edu
Subject: A decade of Suzanne!

Greetings from the land of Opal (though, never fear, I am unscathed, despite my abrupt need to use an air-sick bag in a bumpy helicopter).

This is sort of outdated by now, but I didn't want to pass up the opportunity to note that it's been officially 10 years, and I guess a month or two, since _Suzanne Vega_ hit the stores. I just want to take the chance to congratulate Suzanne on her first decade as a recorded entity -- and, certainly, wish her luck in the many, many subsequent decades that are sure to follow.

I guess it's the classic question (not to Suzanne, to everyone else): do you remember where you were when you first heard her? For me it was a few minutes after midnight, September 25, 1985 -- my 20th birthday -- standing in my dorm room on the third floor of Beam Hall at Penn State when "Small Blue Thing" came out over the airwaves from WPSU. I remember it like I'm still standing there. The world was blue-green for some reason. I think a fan was going. I'm not going to claim that the cosmos stopped or anything but I think _I_ did; I'd read about Suzanne a few weeks earlier and was asking myself "Is this it? Is this her? I have to get this."

The next day a coworker at the student newspaper played a compilation tape that included "Marlene on the Wall," which I didn't like quite as much but kept me interested.

A few days later I went hunting through record stores looking for it. I finally found one that had one copy. Back then LPs were still a big deal (I wish I'd bought it in vinyl but I had no way to play it) and the few cassettes this one store sold were locked behind glass; as the clerk unlocked the case to retrieve the tape she said "We've had a lot of people asking for this one." I took it home, listened to it, didn't get everything the first time but knew I'd found something wonderful, something that maybe I'd been looking for a long time without knowing what for.

That whole year, certainly that whole semester, was colored by that album; it's the soundtrack I hear when I think back to that time. (It helped that it was only one of three albums I bought that entire year, being cash-poor as I was). For instance, the next spring I really, really fell in love for the first time (yes, call me a late bloomer) and wrote in my diary: "I want to love a young woman who I don't understand. Your highness, your ways are very strange."

My enthusiasm was far from universally shared, however. I tried to explain to my roommate what Suzanne sounded like; the only thing I could come up with, "urban folk," drew this look of bemused compassion from him, sort of like "God, it must be terrible to be such a dork." One friend of mine used to discount any musical opinion I held by saying, "Yeah, but _you_ like Suzanne Vega." (This from a guy who thought Dream Academy was the next Pink Floyd.) If you're thinking that I really needed some new friends -- yeah, that's the conclusion I reached too.

One remarkable thing about that album is that it became one of my favorites of all time the minute I heard it, and that it still is 10 years later. That's rare; most of my favorite albums are ones that took a while to grow on me (like, say, anything by R.E.M.). Others that immediately appealed to me faded after time, either because my tastes changed or because their appeal was all on the surface; that's certainly not true of _SV_.

It also might be the only album that I still listen to regularly after so many years just for the enjoyment of it. (In contrast, it's been a while since I listened to, say, the White Album in its entirety. It's an all-time masterpiece, of course, by any objective standard more pivotal to musical history than Suzanne's debut, probably, but these days it's not usually what I'm in the mood for). I'm still not tired of it; I'm still discovering new things. My latest trick is to listen to it and _99.9F_ back to back and notice how similar they are.

Am I babbling? Yes. I just wanted to thank Suzanne for the last decade, or at least the role she's played in it. (I won't hold her accountable for Newt Gingrich, never fear.)

Most exciting of all -- the news she's heading back into the studio! Yes! I can hardly wait.

-- Bob, no longer elusive, just incoherent

P.S. I think I've been missing out on messages too. I didn't get anything for a couple of weeks, then this latest feud jumps out from nowhere. All I can say to the combatants -- shouldna lept in front o' the bairn, lad!


Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 07:36:05 -0700
To: undertow@serv1.law.emory.edu
From: richards@teleport.com (Eric/Susan Richards)
Subject: Re: A decade of Suzanne!

>I guess it's the classic question (not to Suzanne, to everyone else): do
>you remember where you were when you first heard her?

I'm embarrassed to say, but for me it was studying for finals in 1986 with *MTV* playing as background noise. I was taking a break when "Marlene on the Wall" came on. The first few seconds of the song sent me scrambling for a pen so that I could write down the artist at the end of the video -- that kind of immediate reaction had never happened to me before. I soon had her LP and listened to the album I don't know how many times on my walkman (surely hundreds) over the next few years.

The _Suzanne Vega_ album is still my favorite because (to me) the songs seem entwined with a sad, detached abstraction -- a feeling like there's something bigger behind the lyrics that language just can't express.

>Most exciting of all -- the news she's heading back into the studio! Yes!
>I can hardly wait.

Great news!

__________________________________________________________________
// Eric J. Richards //\
// richards@teleport.com PGP: finger -l richards@teleport.com //\/
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From: rwalters@zeh2.law.emory.edu (Rob Walters)
te: Wed, 11 Oct 95 18:04:18 CDT
To: undertow@law.emory.edu
Subject: First hearing Suzanne

Hello everyone,

There was a thread along these lines awhile back; sounds like a candidate for archiving! Someone in rec.music.rem is accumulating a similar list for R.E.M, and it's really fascinating to read - quite a variety of experiences.

I think I posted this sometime back, but here it is again:

Around summer 1986, I was listening to a Sunday night program on the radio in Austin, TX. The incomparable dj, Jody Denberg, always featured an eclectic mix of 'critic's choice' stuff - indie, 'alternative' (before it was called that, etc.). Towards the end of the program, he closed with quieter, acoustic-based material. Driving home near midnight, I happened to catch 'Small Blue Thing' - needless to say, I was blown away. I think what came through was the *intensity* of the music and lyrics through both *repetition* and *sparseness* of arrangement - something that Suzanne does very well on a consistent basis! I think 'detached abstraction' is a good way to put it, but it's more than that.

Well, of course I went out and got the album, and since then, have seen her twice in concert (missed the 1985 show at the Cactus Cafe - capacity only around 100-150...damn...), bought everything I can get my hands on, etc.

Looking forward to the new material, and the new 'old' material,

-Rob
rwalters@lafayette.unocal.com


Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 19:37:11 -0700
To: undertow@law.emory.edu
From: "David N. Levy"
Subject: First time heard Suzanne.

Hello everyone,

Just wanted to throw in my "first time" experience hearing Suzanne. I can't remember the year -- it probably was in '86 or '87.

It was a weekend morning, and I had to wake up decently early, for one crazy reason or another. My radio alarm was set to WNEW-FM in New York. At that time, Pete Fornatelle (spelling's probably wrong), used to have his "mixed bag" show where he played cool stuff, especially folk-rock artist.

Well, that morning, he played "undertow" and I was taken by Suzanne's beautiful voice. Been a fan ever since :).

--David


Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 22:51:02 -0400
From: beach house tiki god
To: undertow@law.emory.edu
Subject: the first time

Robert King sez:

>I guess it's the classic question (not to Suzanne, to everyone else): do
>you remember where you were when you first heard her?

like it was yesterday. autumn of 1985. i was laying on the floor of my bedroom listening to whrw (binghamton university's radio station). the world was infinitely grey (funny how both bob and i associate colors with these memories). someone played "the queen and the soldier" and i was floored (ha ha). while listening, everything went blank and i felt completely engulfed by the music and words.

the next day, i found a cassette copy of the album which i still have and listen to, even through the song titles are worn off. as with bob, it became the soundtrack of my life, along with KaTe bush's hounds of love, for tht year and the next few. every song *clicked*, though "cracking," by far, was the one i identified with most closely. still do, in fact.

>For instance, the next spring I really, really fell in love for
>the first time (yes, call me a late bloomer) and wrote in my diary: "I
>want to love a young woman who I don't understand. Your highness, your
>ways are very strange."

this is getting weirder. i didn't write that in my diary (didn't have a diary to write in), but the same thing happened to me: fell in love for the first time, associated those lines with the feelings i felt, and integrated the album very much into that relationship. so much so that i couldn't listen to the album for at least a year after said relationship went sour. the fact that i could listen to it again was a measure of my healing.

as with bob, it's an album that i liked from the start and continue to like to this day.

woj


Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 23:45:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ronald K Schmidt
To: undertow@law.emory.edu
Subject: the first time

It was July '85 ... around my thirteenth birthday, believe it or not. Tuned in MTV one afternoon, halfway through the Marlene on the Wall video, waited esctatically for the artist to show up in the lower-left corner in the screen, and I was hooked. I had just heard Sting's "Dream of the Blue Turtles" album, and could see a definite parallel between "Marlene" and some of the songs on the second side of that album, especially "Consider Me Gone." Could "derStingel" have been influenced by his A&M labelmate? Think so...

I didn't really get into buying albums till I was a sophomore in high school. ('87-'88) Solitude Standing was, of course, a big album around this time, but while I liked "Luka" and the title cut, it didn't have the same spark of Marlene or Left of Centre. (speaking of that last cut, I wish suzanne would team up with Joe Jackson again. he's another artist who does whatever he wants in a unique, welcoming sort of manner, and his piano solo on LoC adds a lot to the track.) Therefore, I picked up the debut LP in March of '88, and played it and Joni Mitchell's "Hissing of Summer Lawns" LP incessantly for about a year. (To this day, those 2 LPs plus Solitude Standing are the albums I'd want to take with me on a desert island.)

DoOH wasn't as striking as the first 2, but it had its moments, especially "predictions" with that Jaco-like fretless bass and Fairlight textures. 99.9F, however, kept a good balance going between the techno tracks, the pop, and the ol' fashioned folk. However, that first album still holds a certain key in my heart of hearts. It and only a few other albums (SS, several Mitchell LPs, and Rickie Lee Jones' "Pirates") has a certain special something, a sense of wonder, humanity, and social commentary unique in the digital age.


Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 23:55:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert King
To: beach house tiki god
Cc: undertow@law.emory.edu
Subject: Suzanne songs during breakups

On Wed, 11 Oct 1995, beach house tiki god wrote:

>
> this is getting weirder. i didn't write that in my diary (didn't have a
> diary to write in), but the same thing happened to me: fell in love for
> the first time, associated those lines with the feelings i felt, and
> integrated the album very much into that relationship. so much so that
> i couldn't listen to the album for at least a year after said
> relationship went sour. the fact that i could listen to it again was a
> measure of my healing.

Well, my relationship wasn't all that Suzanne-related (sure sign of impending trouble, I guess). But when it was over and I was writing my ex-gf my 40-page postmortem, I was tempted to quote from "Neighborhood Girls": "I've been out for a while/but I'll back in a bit/I am just walking through the smoke/finding out if this is it." I didn't, however.

In retrospect, I guess I'd have to say that "The Queen and the Soldier" isn't a very auspicious song to start out a relationship with. I think I ended up being the Soldier that time.

-- Bob, who thinks CNN should have played "In the Eye" during coverage of the OJ verdict


Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 00:59:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: DAHURLEY@vaxsar.vassar.edu
Subject: First time
To: undertow@law.emory.edu

I guess I have to confess that my first Suzanne Vega song was Luka, but I was only twelve at the time. I don't really remember how I got into her music but I know that by my thirteenth birthday I had both her albums and was very excited that my birthday present was front row seat tickets to see her that very night! I hadn't even known she was playing.

So I entered my teenage years convinced that Ms. Vega had made eye contact with *ME* right during Tom's Diner, the show's opener. [Hey Suzanne,you remember the little kid in the cast, don't you?] I still have the T-shirt from that show (I think the ticket stub got lost in a move somwhere) though needless to say it doesn't fit anymore. If I ever have kids, they will be the coolest dressed little tykes around.

David


Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:05:55 +0200 (EET)
From: Ari Kosonen
Subject: First time heard Suzanne
To: undertow@law.emory.edu

Hi folks!

I probably had seen the video of 'Marlene on the Wall' on some chart show back in 1985, but the first concious experience happened couple of years later, in November 1987. I was sitting in a small cafe near the Central Railway Station of Helsinki, Finland. It was 7 a.m., and I had just spent a sleepless night in train, I was having my coffee, when I hear Suzanne's song on the radio. No, it was not 'Tom's Diner', it was 'Ironbound/Fancy Poultry'. That really hit the spot. Couple of weeks later I had bought the first two albums and I have been her fan ever since. I have seen Suzanne in a Concert in Helsinki 1990, and I am looking forward to see her here again in the future.

Ari

---
Ari Kosonen
Dept. of Computer Science, Joensuu University, Finland
email: akosone@cs.joensuu.fi


From: cass@netcom.com (Cassandra)
Subject: Re: the first time
To: cass@netcom.com (Cassandra)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 08:11:19 -0700 (PDT)
Cc: undertow@law.emory.edu

i've been on this mailing list for
hmm
nearly two years now
i guess
but i've been fairly quiet

the music hits me in such a personal
place
so as it is discussed and dissected
i can watch
but not participate

the recent discussion regarding how
and when
someone was introduced to the music
compels me to speak
though

it was 1986
i was working in a record store
opened the "pretty in pink" soundtrack to play in the store
i fancied myself a smiths fan at the time
and that was my motivation

but i was struck by "left of center" and
immediately went to the back of the store
found the self-titled album
put it on the turntable (remember those?)
and was lost for several hours
listening to the stories contained
again and again

today, i struggle with expression
as i did then
and often found that songs, stories or poems
said things in eloquent ways
that eluded me

with suzanne's music
i had found a treasure box of words
and stories
that could speak for me
if someone were to ask how i felt
(often a dreadful question)

as i continued working at the record store
i often had to go retrieve the album from the racks
as other, more "enlightened" employees had reshelved it
(along with rem, joe jackson and the smiths)
favoring instead, def leppard, michael jackson and the like
for our in store play

i didnt stay much longer there
a wholly unpleasant place
but my benefit from that job had been the discovery
of this music

i went about my life
which at the time included
an abusive relationship
(i was in the middle of the second year of what
would end up being five)

i bought solitude standing as soon as it was released
sat alone in my car to listen
it was raining outside
i forced myself to not look at the lyric sheet
wanting to hear the pieces first
before dissecting them in my mind
tom's diner... another story.. i smiled at it's sweetness
complex and yet simple... unique

and then luka...
well there it was... these words
about a youngster, of course
but echoing so closely
my existence, my emotions (or lack of them)
i was shocked

i was used to her music exploring pieces of
my brain and my existence
but not so clearly
in simple words
explaining how i lived
how i moved from day to day

my initial reactions to the rest of the album
are lost on me today
although now, i also treasure gypsy, language
and the rest of the album

when her tour was due to hit san francisco in
august of that year
i clandestinely purchased tickets
with my friend john
the only person who didnt let me push him away
as i was shrouded in this abusive relationship

a few days before the concert
my boyfriend found out about it
and john attended the concert on his own
my opportunity to be with others who
listened to her music
and maybe understood things the way i did, lost

time went on
i left california for the east coast
days of open hand came out
99.9 came out
tired of sleeping... institution green
in liverpool... there was always a song that
spoke to me

several months ago
9 years after my introduction to her music
i got on a train heading towards boston
met my friend, peter, at the station
got in his car and off we went to vermont
walked into a festival
and i sat on a hill and listened to her sing and talk

it's a good thing that peter doesnt often ask me how i feel
i dont think i could have told him then

-------

it took me a long time this morning to put this
experience into words
i apologize for the length
and i thank you for listening

-diana

cass@netcom.com diana@aol.com
http://frostbite.umd.edu/~cass/

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